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  Jehovah’s Witnesses — An Organization?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  jehovahs witnesses an organization?.

  today i added a new article to my blog addressing a particularly dirty trick played on jehovahs witnesses.

  it has to do with watchtowers legal maneuvering to place and keep its harsh religious shunning practice beyond reach of secular law enforcement.

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  Hey Marvin Good site. I read the blood part. Very good except that you keep writing alter instead of altar
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  A question about lying and the Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Change Name in

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  i have seen questions regarding how much jehovah's witnesses lie all the time on yahoo answers.

  here is the latest question:.

  jehovah's witnesses, is lying at any time something jehovah approves of?.

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  Change Name

  The following quote is from the Watchtower to the public October 2011, page 27. It is the most flagrant, bold, deliberate, shameless LIE in recent times coming from the Watchtower.

  "What did their analysis reveal? While not all of these sets of lunar positions match the year 568/567 B.C.E., all 13 sets match calculated positions for 20 years earlier, for the year 588/587 B.C.E... Clearly, much of the astronomical data in VAT 4956 fits the year 588 B.C.E. as the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar II. This, therefore, supports the date of 607 B.C.E. for Jerusalem’s destruction—just as the Bible indicates."

  You sound sincere, why don't you do your own research. I am not a JW, but I decided to test the assertions quoted above. I used the same astronomical program the WT used and I can assure you that their LIE is so flagrant, but they trust that you guys will never go through the trouble of testing the information in the article, which is filled with lies, misinformation, misquoting and deception.

  Of all 36 astronomical observations I tested from the tablet VAT 4956, only 2 failed for year 568/567 BCE, which is the accepted year by all scholars in the relevant fields. Regarding WT year (588/587 BCE), all planetary observations fail miserably, all intervals (times between the sun and the moon settings and rising) failed too, and only seven lunar observations are a match. When you use a stringent criterion, then all of them fail.

  What I liked about my research is that I relied on the most reliable sources that anyone can have: the predictable movement of the planets, the moon and the sun, which move independently of human will, wish or agenda.

  This research nailed it for me:

  "THE WATCHTOWER LIES DELIBERATELY"
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  "Every lie is an untruth, but not every untruth is a lie"

  by becca1 in

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  so says the february 1st 2007 watchtower in bold print on page 6.. the name of the article is: why be truthful?.

  under the subheading, what is a lie?

  it reads:"every lie is an untruth, but not every untruth is a lie.

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  never a jw

  Does anyone know what tract was being referenced by Anitar?
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  Does the WT have any legal grounds to go after "apostates" for defamation, slander, libel?

  by never a jw in

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  question to all those well versed in legal issues.

  all jw's, when confronted with criticism, claim that apostates lie about the wt.

  i always have wondered, given the litigious environment in which we live in western democracies, why the wts doesn't go after all those websites that publish so many "lies" about "the truth".. can this lack of action on the part of the wts be used as evidence of the truthfulness of the message in "apostate" sites such as jwfacts,.

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  OUTLAW,

  INteresting point. It makes sense.

  Over 25,000 posts. Yours is a prolific mind. How do you come up with over 25,000 funny and informative posts?
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  Does the WT have any legal grounds to go after "apostates" for defamation, slander, libel?

  by never a jw in

  1. jw
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  question to all those well versed in legal issues.

  all jw's, when confronted with criticism, claim that apostates lie about the wt.

  i always have wondered, given the litigious environment in which we live in western democracies, why the wts doesn't go after all those websites that publish so many "lies" about "the truth".. can this lack of action on the part of the wts be used as evidence of the truthfulness of the message in "apostate" sites such as jwfacts,.

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  Question to all those well versed in legal issues. All JW's, when confronted with criticism, claim that apostates lie about the WT. I always have wondered, given the litigious environment in which we live in western democracies, why the WTS doesn't go after all those websites that publish so many "lies" about "the truth".

  Can this lack of action on the part of the WTS be used as evidence of the truthfulness of the message in "apostate" sites such as JWFacts,

  or is it possible that the defamation/slander/libel laws don't apply here and therefore that's the reason why the WTS does not pursue any legal action?

  What I am trying to lead to is: Can we ask JW's who accuse "apostates" of lying:

  If they (apostates) lie, why doesn't the WTS legally go after them in a civil court?

  Knowing that the WT is not pursuing any legal action against "apostates", this question would possibly lead those JW's to reconsider their belief that "apostates" lie.
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  A recent discussion that had me stumped!

  by Terry in

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  okay--first off, i wasn't involved in the following conversation; i was eavesdropping!.

  you know how it is when you happen to be in a public place.

  you are minding your own business until you're not minding your own business.

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  never a jw

  Bad analogy, just like the ones I hear in Kingdom Halls and Conventions. Can not compare intruding in other people's rights (pyromaniac and molester) with consenting adults who don't interfere with anyone else's rights.
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  The real problem with Watchtower.

  by Rattigan350 in

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  a topic on here about 1975 prompted me to write about how, for me, that is and never was or will be an issue.. also, the 144,000 and 'two classes' with memorial partaking, and child abuse are not issues with this religion.

  everyone has their unique teachings and personnel problems.. the real problem with this religion was highlighted in the 2008 yearbook.

  it gave a story of a young woman who was from estonia who was on the equivalent of american idol for estonia.

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  never a jw

  Amen to that,

  Not only do they rob the individuals of their talents, but also rob society of its potential collective talent.

  JW's denigrate careers because they are intended to get you prestige, fame and money. How come they are so quick to rush to hospitals when they are sick. Yeah they want to go to those places infested with those greedy, desirous of fame and prestige doctors. Instead they should go to the humble servants of Jehovah for help, i.e. the elders.
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  The ten most embarrassing scriptures for Jehovah's Witnesses

  by slimboyfat in

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  1. mark 7:15 "there is nothing from outside a man that passes into him that can defile him; but the things that issue forth out of a man are the things that defile a man.. so how can eating black pudding or having a blood transfusion be a sin?.

  2. roman 14:5 one [man] judges one day as above another; another [man] judges one day as others; let each one be convinced in his own mind.

  so how come they say birthdays and festivals are a sin?.

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  Slimboyfat

  Great post. I will use it to explain that the Bible serves to defend the idea that the sky is whatever color you want. In other words, pretty useless.

  Cobaltcake,

  I know litttle about the Bible, where do I find that
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  greatest show on earth

  by unstopableravens in

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  2. beliefs

  i wanted to start this thread two weeks ago,however i have had alot going on with wifey and the elders,that is another thread.

  to be honest my mind has been on my family.

  i will be able to discuss the book tommorow morning.

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  cantleave,

  I gave the example of how thanks to compassion and modern medicine people with weak constitutions are cured and allowed to pass their weak traits to the next generation. The numbers increase, but the average individual is statistically not better off.

  Regarding your last post, I agree.

  Morality is more to do with our being able to work with and survive in social groups. To benefit from the group's protection you need to be accepted. If you do not conform to the groups behaviour you will be ouctcast and vulnerable to attack.

  I like that, and doesn't change my premise. "Morality" stregthens the group, not the individual. The long term gain/loss is not certain.
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  greatest show on earth

  by unstopableravens in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wanted to start this thread two weeks ago,however i have had alot going on with wifey and the elders,that is another thread.

  to be honest my mind has been on my family.

  i will be able to discuss the book tommorow morning.

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  Thank you cofty. I messed up big time, shame on me for allowing the subtle difference in spelling to hide from me the big difference in meaning. And yes, I meant that an amoral individual thrives at the expense of other individuals, not necessarily the group, as you suggest.

  The tricky part in our discussion is the word morality. If you restrict it to meaning cooperation, I may agree with you about being for the benefit of the survival of the group, but if you extend it to marriage, homosexuality, and a host of other concepts, then that has nothing to do with natural selection and may or may not have any effect on it. I rather remove the word morality altogether from our discussion and rather deal with cooperation.

  I will look into the material you are suggesting